Live Together, Die Alone (S:2,E:23&24...Season Finale)
Alright…so…I'm sure many of us loved that season finale. I loved it. I'll tell you what was disappointing though. They packed so much into one episode, that they could have stretched out a bit and made better. Couple that with the fact that we had the middle of the season stretched so thin that it got a little bland (not to mention all the weeks they took off). I think they could have planned it better. Anyway…back to what I was saying…the season finale was awesome.
Some of my ponderings mixed with stuff I've come across on the message boards. I'm sure I'm only touching on half the things that happened, so please feel free to bring up other topics.
1) So how many of you thought that when it went to the snowy scene, that it was some commercial, and you were waiting for the punch line? Maybe I was the only one…anyway. Did you notice that the guy who called Penelope was Matthew Fox. It wasn't him as Jack (obviously). Was that the "Bad Twin"? I know, I know…there's been a lot of references to the Bad Twin.
2) A lot of references to snow: Snow Globe, the Snowman joke, Polar Bears, Sharks (larger sharks tend to feed in colder water). There were some other references in the filmstrip and other things people mentioned. Some posters (message posters) have a theory that the island is in a snow globe type of environment, protected from the cold of the Antarctic. If Flight 815 went off track, leaving Australia, it's conceivable that they ended up closer to the Antarctic.
3) So Elizabeth's (Libby's) husband died. Maybe that's why she was in the asylum. I loved the part how she mentioned that her husband name was David. Could that be the same Dave as Hurley's imaginary friend. Could she see Dave too? We've been promised more flashbacks with Libby in Season 3, so stay tuned. Here's my pondering with Libby...Libby may have been an other and/or worked with Hanso. Penelope's dad might be part of Hanso...he has money. He sent Desmond on the race (regatta) knowing the magnet would pull him in, or that they'd make him crash on the island somehow. Meeting Libby in the Starbucks, and her having a boat may have been more than a coincidence. Hanso may have helped her when she was in the asylum.
4) Great line by Sayid. Not in these exact words, but…"I don't know whether to be more concerned about where the rest of the statue is, or the fact that it has four toes." There's some scientists who believe that as humans evolve, we will lose our little toe. There's also the theory that the Atlanteans (of Atlantis) were an evolved species of humans, and that they were slightly different. I wonder if there are any stories of them having 4 toes. However, this series seems to be based more on mythology than anything.
Ever read about Aurvandil? This was a great find by one of the posters on the ABC site. http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/myth.cgi/Aurvandil.html. Couple that with what's below from another poster.
Remember Lenny in the mental hospital playing connect-4? well, there are 42 (yes, 42) spots on the connect 4 board...if you number the spaces beginning with 1 at the lower left you get something like this...
6 12 18 24 30 36 42
5 11 17 23 29 35 41
4 10 16 22 28 34 40
3 9 15 21 27 33 39
2 8 14 20 26 32 38
1 7 13 19 25 31 37
the pattern made with the magic numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 creates the BIG DIPPER!!!
5) Did the bird really say Hurley's name? I have to go back and watch my DVR'ed copy. I was too tired to go through it again last night.
6) Michael's not getting far on that boat, and not because that little boat has about a 100-150 mile range. He has the sickness. He was looking at that sore on his arm when he said he was looking for firewood (right after he had spoken to one of the others about the change in plans). Someone else mentioned that the scab on his forehead keeps getting bigger. The sore on his arm looked similar. Could just be over-analysis. Another issue with Michael is the compass. In season one, Sayid had a compass and said that an electro-magnetic field nearby was messing with the compass as it wasn't truly pointing North. Well, let's assume that Fenry (Fake Henry) took the electro-magnetic field into consideration (pre-meltdown). Then the direction he sent Michael and Walt in will now be altered to it's true direction. This could mean a lot of things. If he was sending Michael and Walt into a trap, they're not going to get there. Keep an eye on this.
7) The fake hatch was actually scratched off on the map in the hatch that Kelvin was drawing (in continuation of his partner's work).
8) That brings us to Kelvin. Anyone notice that he's the guy that released Sayid and gave him money after forcing him into interrogating his own people during the Gulf War? I don't think Kelvin's dead. Yes, he had head trauma, and there was nobody to treat him, but Desmond left quickly, and the island has healing powers. We don't know if Desmond ever went back to bury him or not (which would answer a lot of questions). The reason I don’t think he's dead…because shortly thereafter, the "Tailies" went through that area, and Kelvin's body would have still been there. The boat wouldn't be there, because Desmond ran before the tailies made it to the other side of the island.
9) So it now seems that The Pearl station was the behavioral test. Those tubes with their notes went nowhere. What I want to know is, where did they get all those tubes from? They must have a huge stock of those things if they're not getting sent back.
10) So, soon after the first episode of season 2, I thought the girl in the picture with Desmond was Jack's wife, and later on I thought that the person Jack's wife was cheating on Jack with was Desmond. However, Penelope wasn't Jack's wife, so nix that idea. But, Jack knows Penelope somehow, because of the way he reacted when he saw the picture and said "Who's that" before Desmond packed it in his bag. If her father is/was a bigwig at Hanso, and I believe Jack's father is still alive and working with Hanso, is it conceivable that Jack and Penelope may know each other somehow?
11) Looks like Fenry did hit the button when Locke was stuck under the blast door. He was just playing with Locke's head.
12) Add Desmond to the list of characters who's said a variation of the quote: "I'll see you in another life"
13) And what's with Charlie? Does he really not give a damn about Eko and Locke? Or is it the EMP that has him all loopy? The brain runs off of electric signals. The EMP could have knocked him out and disoriented him.
14) Apparently, all the stuff with the hackers on the Hanso website (Persephone, et al) will play out in the 3rd season. Did anyone catch the interview with the PR guy at Hanso on Jimmy Kimmel last night? It was pretty poorly done, with scientists in the background occasionally stopping to look at a blank wall and seeming very interested in it. But, it served its purpose too.
15) Word is that LOST is signed to an 8-year deal. Sheesh.
UPDATE FROM BILL:
Penelope's dad is definitely in cahuts with the Hanso
Foundation. Penelope's last name is Widmore. The
Widmore Group (http://www.widmoregroup.com) owns such
things as Widmore Laboratories
(http://www.widmorelaboratories.com) where you will
see that the lab is the exclusive manufacturer of
Dharma and Infinity foods and pharmaceuticals.
A thing to note, from the Widmore Group's site is that
Locke's "dad" sits on the board of directors! Lower
right picture. Check it out for yourself:
http://www.widmoregroup.com/corporate.htm
The interview with Hugh McIntyre on the Kimmel show
apparently ruffled some feathers with the Widmore
group as he was immediately removed from the board of
directors following the interview. News release:
http://www.widmoregroup.com/news.htm
Some of my ponderings mixed with stuff I've come across on the message boards. I'm sure I'm only touching on half the things that happened, so please feel free to bring up other topics.
1) So how many of you thought that when it went to the snowy scene, that it was some commercial, and you were waiting for the punch line? Maybe I was the only one…anyway. Did you notice that the guy who called Penelope was Matthew Fox. It wasn't him as Jack (obviously). Was that the "Bad Twin"? I know, I know…there's been a lot of references to the Bad Twin.
2) A lot of references to snow: Snow Globe, the Snowman joke, Polar Bears, Sharks (larger sharks tend to feed in colder water). There were some other references in the filmstrip and other things people mentioned. Some posters (message posters) have a theory that the island is in a snow globe type of environment, protected from the cold of the Antarctic. If Flight 815 went off track, leaving Australia, it's conceivable that they ended up closer to the Antarctic.
3) So Elizabeth's (Libby's) husband died. Maybe that's why she was in the asylum. I loved the part how she mentioned that her husband name was David. Could that be the same Dave as Hurley's imaginary friend. Could she see Dave too? We've been promised more flashbacks with Libby in Season 3, so stay tuned. Here's my pondering with Libby...Libby may have been an other and/or worked with Hanso. Penelope's dad might be part of Hanso...he has money. He sent Desmond on the race (regatta) knowing the magnet would pull him in, or that they'd make him crash on the island somehow. Meeting Libby in the Starbucks, and her having a boat may have been more than a coincidence. Hanso may have helped her when she was in the asylum.
4) Great line by Sayid. Not in these exact words, but…"I don't know whether to be more concerned about where the rest of the statue is, or the fact that it has four toes." There's some scientists who believe that as humans evolve, we will lose our little toe. There's also the theory that the Atlanteans (of Atlantis) were an evolved species of humans, and that they were slightly different. I wonder if there are any stories of them having 4 toes. However, this series seems to be based more on mythology than anything.
Ever read about Aurvandil? This was a great find by one of the posters on the ABC site. http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/myth.cgi/Aurvandil.html. Couple that with what's below from another poster.
Remember Lenny in the mental hospital playing connect-4? well, there are 42 (yes, 42) spots on the connect 4 board...if you number the spaces beginning with 1 at the lower left you get something like this...
6 12 18 24 30 36 42
5 11 17 23 29 35 41
4 10 16 22 28 34 40
3 9 15 21 27 33 39
2 8 14 20 26 32 38
1 7 13 19 25 31 37
the pattern made with the magic numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 creates the BIG DIPPER!!!
5) Did the bird really say Hurley's name? I have to go back and watch my DVR'ed copy. I was too tired to go through it again last night.
6) Michael's not getting far on that boat, and not because that little boat has about a 100-150 mile range. He has the sickness. He was looking at that sore on his arm when he said he was looking for firewood (right after he had spoken to one of the others about the change in plans). Someone else mentioned that the scab on his forehead keeps getting bigger. The sore on his arm looked similar. Could just be over-analysis. Another issue with Michael is the compass. In season one, Sayid had a compass and said that an electro-magnetic field nearby was messing with the compass as it wasn't truly pointing North. Well, let's assume that Fenry (Fake Henry) took the electro-magnetic field into consideration (pre-meltdown). Then the direction he sent Michael and Walt in will now be altered to it's true direction. This could mean a lot of things. If he was sending Michael and Walt into a trap, they're not going to get there. Keep an eye on this.
7) The fake hatch was actually scratched off on the map in the hatch that Kelvin was drawing (in continuation of his partner's work).
8) That brings us to Kelvin. Anyone notice that he's the guy that released Sayid and gave him money after forcing him into interrogating his own people during the Gulf War? I don't think Kelvin's dead. Yes, he had head trauma, and there was nobody to treat him, but Desmond left quickly, and the island has healing powers. We don't know if Desmond ever went back to bury him or not (which would answer a lot of questions). The reason I don’t think he's dead…because shortly thereafter, the "Tailies" went through that area, and Kelvin's body would have still been there. The boat wouldn't be there, because Desmond ran before the tailies made it to the other side of the island.
9) So it now seems that The Pearl station was the behavioral test. Those tubes with their notes went nowhere. What I want to know is, where did they get all those tubes from? They must have a huge stock of those things if they're not getting sent back.
10) So, soon after the first episode of season 2, I thought the girl in the picture with Desmond was Jack's wife, and later on I thought that the person Jack's wife was cheating on Jack with was Desmond. However, Penelope wasn't Jack's wife, so nix that idea. But, Jack knows Penelope somehow, because of the way he reacted when he saw the picture and said "Who's that" before Desmond packed it in his bag. If her father is/was a bigwig at Hanso, and I believe Jack's father is still alive and working with Hanso, is it conceivable that Jack and Penelope may know each other somehow?
11) Looks like Fenry did hit the button when Locke was stuck under the blast door. He was just playing with Locke's head.
12) Add Desmond to the list of characters who's said a variation of the quote: "I'll see you in another life"
13) And what's with Charlie? Does he really not give a damn about Eko and Locke? Or is it the EMP that has him all loopy? The brain runs off of electric signals. The EMP could have knocked him out and disoriented him.
14) Apparently, all the stuff with the hackers on the Hanso website (Persephone, et al) will play out in the 3rd season. Did anyone catch the interview with the PR guy at Hanso on Jimmy Kimmel last night? It was pretty poorly done, with scientists in the background occasionally stopping to look at a blank wall and seeming very interested in it. But, it served its purpose too.
15) Word is that LOST is signed to an 8-year deal. Sheesh.
UPDATE FROM BILL:
Penelope's dad is definitely in cahuts with the Hanso
Foundation. Penelope's last name is Widmore. The
Widmore Group (http://www.widmoregroup.com) owns such
things as Widmore Laboratories
(http://www.widmorelaboratories.com) where you will
see that the lab is the exclusive manufacturer of
Dharma and Infinity foods and pharmaceuticals.
A thing to note, from the Widmore Group's site is that
Locke's "dad" sits on the board of directors! Lower
right picture. Check it out for yourself:
http://www.widmoregroup.com/corporate.htm
The interview with Hugh McIntyre on the Kimmel show
apparently ruffled some feathers with the Widmore
group as he was immediately removed from the board of
directors following the interview. News release:
http://www.widmoregroup.com/news.htm
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